well they are right, their most recent album was shitty and not metal in the slightest

I agree with ya there noob but for them to say they can’t play is a bit out of order cos they can play we all knwo that, it may not be everyone’s style of music but they can play, in fact I think Syn is a great guitarist

Dear Lord, Underoath are awful

has anyone seen it a bit weird that their only taking a shot at one band here? personally i fucking luv a7x and underoath i could never realy be assed with so now they can go suck it

“show all those Avenged Sevenfold fans what real metal is like”
…does he mean metal like Slayer or Testament? Coz i dont think Underoath sound like Slayer nor Testament…

i think that AVX band image is pretty cool though. We are in a time where there are few new bands with an instant iconic image and somtimes thats what you need in a band. From the 80s we had Guns n’ Roses, Motely Crue et al, the 90’s gave us Marilyn Manson, Rammstein…but in the late 00’s what have we got?

How many new bands do we have that all dress in the same trendy street fashion label clothes with the same damn haircut and all sound similar with hardcore breakdowns and screaming vocals?

Granted its the music that counts, but in these post ‘the Dirt’ days its nice to have a few ‘ arena rock stars’ who look and act the part.

LOL @ Underoath. Your one of the most God Awful bands to ever rise from the pathetic emo underground. Yet you complain about bands such as Avenged Sevenfold who are in my honest opinion, very talented.

Get fucked Underoath.

Avenged Sevenfold are the most god-awful faux rockstars. Take your redneck bumblef*ck MTV Hot Topic shit and get out of the business. Underoath holds it down, getting heavier and more technical with every album, though arguably not metal.

But in terms of hardness, Underoath blows those AX7 vaginas out of the water.

AX7 are a gimmick, a commercial gimmick. If you are above the age of 14, male, plan on going to college in the distant future and listen to AX7, do us all a favor!

Tbh I’m not a massive fan of Underoath, but I’m liking their opinions on Avenged Sevenfold.
A talentless bunch of posers who just polish the same turd every record in a crude attempt at metal

”if you have to make up shitty names like synester gates to sell records then you shouldnt be ther” dear avenged sevenfold fans have any of you ever bought an a7x record because they have cool names ???? didnt think so. this guy is a dick, he has seen other outspoken bands such as the gallows, nd he decided i wanna be like them so he picks a random group and talks trash. thank god dallas left underoath cz we wouldnt have got maylene and underoath suck balls

Some of you must be blind and deaf to not realize Avenged Sevenfold is a massive gimmick. All you have to is listen to there first cd to there last one. Another thing there doing shows with Buckcherry when they used to shows with bands like Mushroomhead. There just like the other gimmick bands for example Buckcherry, Hinder, Saving Abel, Papa Roach…. These bands are all just selling them selves short for the popularity and its a sad state for music!

What exactly constitutes a gimmick? Are Guns N’ Roses a gimmick? Is Kiss a gimmick? Motley Crue? Sex Pistols, Ramones? Slipknot?
I’m not sure if it’s envy driving this loathe for Avenged. They bring the 80’s-esque showmanship back to rock, that’s not gimmicky, its a +1. How many bands do you expect t have long hair, plaid shirts and tight womens jeans, choking themselves with the microphone cable as their scream inchorent lyrics in a epileptic seizure to the tune of 3 powerchords?

What happened to guitar solos? Sex, Drugs, Rock N Roll. The 90’s bred such animosity for any addition to rock an roll. Guitar solo’s were loathed, Corporate creations began to dominate. Look what happened to Metallica.

Who care’s whether or not you like Avenged, they are talented. Syn is one of the first guitarists in almost 20 years to play solos that aren’t just “shredding.” That’s why they share the stage with Metallica, Iron Maiden & Slash. This is what metal music is. This is retro, original, not bound by genre, much like Appetite for Destruction.

I think, when Tim the toolman McTeabag gets on stage and plays the solo from Beast& The Harlot, or the Solo from Afterlife, then he can make the claim that they can’t play their instruments. I dare him to do that.

…Underoath are way more of a fucking gimmick…

i like Underoath but i love A7x better. im sorry the last i remember metal was formed in the 80’s by bands like Iron Maiden, AC/DC, GNR’s, and Motley Crue. i do not ever remember hearing screaming in theses bands the way Underoath do. i think they are just jealous that they cant keep the same members from when they started, the only original member is Aaron G., and he’s mad that A7x has become more famous then his band. what is a sellout anyways? a band that becomes known and everyone listens to them? then what is the purose of a band if you only want certain people to listen, thats kinda hypocrite isn’t it? i kinda hear the same thing over and over from underoath, but from A7x its always progressing and changing. it shows theyre moving forward and become experimental which shows thyre willing to take risk to gain and lose fans. sry but im Avenged Sevendfold all the way. and another note he says “…I’m not saying that’s what Avenged Sevenfold do” really? cause the whole article is about u bad mouthing one specific band. why not just say “in general bands tend to…blah blah blah” it would save so much drama

if you were to ever ask me who is more of a gimmick, id definitely say underoath. trashing another band is really a great way to get more fans, huh.?

Coming from an *emo screamo* band ?
ha, laughable!

Theyre both as crap as eachother, the silly little boys(:

Underoath are a bunch of emo pansies. They look like the same kids I used to beat the crap out of in high school. They call themselves metal, that’s a load of shit, A7X can put on a show and they have a kickass sound not that screaming and grunting shit that sounds like the singer is taking a huge dump. Underoath are fags!

Oh come on this is just funny lol Taking shots at A7X’s image is like shooting fish in a barrel. Does Tim feel like a big man coz he mocked some guys about their make-up? How very chav-like of him Meanwhile, regardless of how stupid Sevenfold may look, you can’t deny that they are damn good musicians! Rhythm section is rock solid and lead guitar is very tasty indeed. When was the last time McTague was on the cover of a guitar mag?

Both those bands fucking suck. Avenged Sevenfold are an unfunny joke of a band and Underoath are just a bunch of whiny christcore peddlers.

Oh yes, underoath, lets jump on the Bash-A-Band-Doing-Better-Than-Us bandwagon. who the hell are you to judge? some Christian band, huh?

And to say that they’re trying to branch off from the mainstream, that’s bullshit. Underoath is just another cookie-cutter screamo band for all the little scenesters to mob after.

For all those “big bad older males” who say that Avenged Sevenfold is talentless, including Mr. McTague, I’d like to see any of you lay down some of the riffs that Syn can play. You can trash their image all you want, but they are the only ones who do it. Standing out doesn’t make someone a gimmick. And if anyone here actually read or listened to a single interview with the “rednecks” they would learn that they aren’t trying to sell themselves as metal anymore. They are just making music. Labeling music nowadays is just stupid anyways because there are so many different types. Underoath isn’t fucking metal either so they have no room to talk. Bands like Underoath only shit talk bands like Avenged Sevenfold because A7x is making music they like making and actually getting recognition for it. While Underoath is still basically unknown, for the most part. And you can say A7x are gimmicks all you want, but I for one can’t name another band off the top of my head that sounds just like them. While Underoath sounds like one of hundreds other crappy screamo bands.

Avenged Sevenfold….Well They are just being cool by cussing….And all the other crap they do. But I think they have gotten a bit more musically talented on their latest sefl-titled album “Avenged Sevenfold” I have never really listened to Underoath. From what they said they sound good. And i disagree with “They can’t write a song”Because if you look closely at Avenged Sevenfold’s stuff its pretty intresting. ( this is my thought ) Some of its just inmature though, I don’t like their older stuff as much ( Mostly scream ) “Sounding The 7th Trumpet” “Waking The fallen” but “City Of Evil” is not bad And anything past that they have written i like a lot. I am not putting Underoath down at all, Because i have never listened to them. But if they really listened to a7x they might change their minds. Personally I think Brian Haner (lead guitarist of A7X) Is really good. Also their dual harmony guitars are very cool. Please reply to my comment! Thanks–Will

I would have thought it was a GOOD thing if your music is compared to Avenged’s. As someone else has said, they are damn good muscians.

And if you don’t like the way they look or their stage names, fair enough, you don’t have to look and listen to them. I agree with Merk that it’s cool they’re trying to bring back the sort-of Guns N’ Roses and Motley feel.

It does give them something different to all the other metal/rock bands around today and as for the comment

“we don’t write a really heavy record ‘just to show all those Avenged Sevenfold fans what real metal is like’”

it’s just not true. The last really heavy album they did was Waking The Fallen in 2003 and back then they were relatively unknown with a very small fanbase. City of Evil in 2005 was more of a hard rock album and their most recent record Avenged Sevenfold was not really metal at all, but metal with heavy influences from different genres. And they never said their last record was ‘real metal’.

Finally, I don’t even know the names of underOath members and I’m not interested, I don’t really see how they are any different from the tonnes of other metal bands today.

Are you kidding me? Underoath, that was a terrible thing to do. Now all the real, true fans that love and care for A7X will hate you guys. And I am one of those who love Avenged. But, now… I think you put it over the edge. And you are wrong. They don’t care what people think. They do what they love. And they worked hard to get where they are now. Just like any other band.

I believe Avenged can play. They are far more better then most bands. (In my own opinion). But, that’s beside the point.

I don’t think you had the right to do that. I thought you guys were nice. But, this just shows a lot of people how much of a douche bag you guys are!

And so what! So what if they wear make-up. A couple of bands do that. Plus not all of A7X wear it.

Sorry, it is your own OPINION! But, you lost a fan for doing this. Don’t get me wrong, I like your music. But, I lost most of my love for you guys.

why didnt he mention how avenged sevenfold play to a tape at their live shows? that alone makes them a disgrace to any and everyone that gets up in front of a crowd to play music. ive hated that “band” for years, glad to see others finally seeing them for the frauds they are. this makes the 2nd person from a “popular” band telling it how it is about avenged sevenfold. fat mike from nofx had some pretty choice things to say about them in a recent interview…i wonder who will be next…??

yh ok avenged sevenfold have abit of an image and they cancel too many shows for my likeing, however they are a good a band, and city of evil was brilliant, weren’t that impressed with the self titled album though, but its funny how everyone seems to hate them now, in 2006 it seemed as if they couldn’t do anything wrong

Screw Underoath! They only down A7X cuz they suck so damned bad they can hardly even freaking scream! Before Shadows voice screwed up they were ten billion times better than this sucky band! Suck it Underoath!

ok. they need to calm this down…they have no reason to be talking shit about a7x. a7x is different and just because they dont want to be like every other band, doesnt mean that they suck..a7x has said themselves they dont want to be seen as a metal band.synyster is an awesome guitar player, and his name is even more fuckin awesome.everybody in the band is good at what they do..they are probably just pissed cuz not alot of people heard of underoath…i didnt and nobody i know has either…sorry if your an underoath fan, i aint dissin on yall, but this bullshit is uncalled for…. you can email me at bamquackers@aol.com if you have any problem with me or what im sayin

How many young bands these days have earned the same kind of status as A7X have? They’ve played with Slash, were personally chosen by James Hetfield for a Metallica tour, shit, have been credited by Metallica as inspiration for their latest album. And Underoath have done, what?

Fair enough, this dude might not like A7X but does he really need to blast them like that? And secondly, whoever compared A7X and Underoath to one another? Sounds like this guy’s just bitching so his band can ride off A7X’s popularity.

I’m a massive Avenged Sevenfold fan and at 22, I don’t plan on changing anytime soon. But I can respect that people don’t like them and that’s their choice. But there’s a difference between not liking a band and throwing around bullshit insults about them being talentless – even if you don’t like them you can’t deny the boys actually know how to play their instruments.

And not to be blasphemous or anything but Underoath are a Christian hardcore band, right? Isn’t that kind of gimmicky?

He’s right. Thanks to this tool, I have realized that I don’t like Avenged Sevenfold because their music is good. I just like them because I think Synyster Gates’ name sounds cool and because they wear makeup. That’s what music is all about, right?

…Is this douche serious? They don’t “need” things like that. Making fun of a band for trying to put on a show is idiotic.

So does this mean MCR is a gimmick? Frank wears makeup from time to time. So do Mikey and Gerard. What about Billie Joe from Green Day? He pretties himself. I think it’s pointless to add Pete Wentz. Duh.

This is a prime example of why people need to think before they speak. So he doesn’t like Avenged. So what? All he had to do was say they aren’t his cup of tea instead of sitting down to utterly bash them. Honestly, which band is more well known? Even if it’s to say the band is crap, I hear more people talking about Avenged.

Another point, sure a lot of the fans are girls, but of the three Avenged concerts I’ve been to, most of the girls are dragged there by their boyfriends. And a lot of the girls are into the tracks like Seize the Day.

In the end, it has nothing to do with the songs they write, how they play their instruments (Syn DID go to MIT for a bit so he IS trained), or what they look like. If people like the music so be it. At the end of the day, no one is holding a gun to your head to make you listen to them.

Freedom. Of. Choice. Use it.

A7x are totally awsome. How can Underoath criticise them for not being able to play and write songs- Gates is an epic guitarist and has influenced loads of young guitarists, myself included. People criticise their third and fourth albums for being different and less screamy- thats because Shadows had voice problems and had to stop screaming- he had the balls to keep going and try something new. Underoath could never bring the quality which A7x bring to live shows- they are constantly touring to give something to the fans. So what they toured with buckcherry they played with BFMV who just as awsome.

Bottom line A7x rule! Underoath SUCK!

[...] April 22, 2009, 10:37 am Filed under: Avenged Sevenfold, Interviews, News, Publications In this recent post by Metal Hammer Underoath guitarist Tim McTague had this to say about Aveged Sevenfold: “People [...]

haha underoath sadly blows dick!! he wants to take shots at a7x??? a band thats famous as fuck and has toured with big bands,one of them being metallica. no band that underoaths ever toured with was as big or even close to being as big as metallica. and now he wants to make fun of the way syn dresses? why the fuck would he care about what a grown man dresses?!?! what a fag. and plus syn’s wayy more of a better guitarist than he will ever be. and why does he make fun of his name, does that mean only people like slash because of his name? geez this guy is a fucking idiot who needs to learn how to think before he speaks.

Who the fuck is Tim McTague? hahaha Oh well, must not be too good if I’ve never heard of him

Jealously is what I hear!

Avenged Sevenfold have been in the industry for ages & the guys know what their doing. You can’t get any better then 5 dedicated guys who know their stuff.

Tell me one thing yeh, undeoath are claiming that Avenged Sevenfold are “a gimmick, they’re a circus” if there music wasn’t anything good then why the fuck would it be released in the first place? A7X have a great team to support them through everything & surely something they are doing is right and at the same time helping them to become more successful as a band.

Any A7X show i’ve been too I know for a fact they play the music with so much passion! For your information any A7X fan would know the guys don’t classify themselves in a ‘metal’ category of music

I don’t care what anyone has to say but to me Avenged Sevenfold is the best. They’ve been so lucky to play with their idols & meet great bands, have had great hits with their albums as well as reaching out heavily with their fans.

One more thing, how the hell are the names of each individual in the band used to attract girls to think the band is cool. All 5 members present themselves as they are & don’t put on a act just for a moment. Either appericate the guys for who they are if not then just keep it quiet & move on…it’s so lame.

Hate all you want but thats the facts.

[...] Vs. Avenged Sevenfold Underoath have a few choice words to say about Avenged [...]

what a fag.
n who the fuck said a7x was metal?!
wait till i throw a load of shit at them at warped tour…asshole

p.s underoath sound like a million other bands out there pshhh.

To be honest, I could careless about who’s shit talking who. But, I can’t help but to reply to Joe, from above in the comments.
If you’re gonna shit talk something, at least get the facts straight.
1. it’s A7X, not AX7
2. Avenged Sevenfold are from Huntington Beach, California aka SOCAL. I doubt they’re “Redneck bumblefuck[s]”
3. what the fuck is a bumblefuck? is it like.. a fetish for bees or something? dear lord. the most retarded thing I’ve EVER heard.

and last, but not least, Avenged Sevenfold; “MTV Hot Topic shit”? SERIOUSLY? The last time I checked, Underoath was on MTV, and Hot Topic sells shit loads of Underoath merch. To add to that, Avenged Sevenfold doesn’t even have much in Hot Topic, most of their merch are online.

Please, next time, get your facts straight…
kinda like what I’m doing… I don’t know anything about Underoath, so why am I going to go against it?
People like you, Joe, kinda disgust me, thinking you’re badasses, trying to shit talk about something and have no back up info.

Google things more often, bye<33

wow some ones going to be eating some crow soon. I’m not some crazy A7X fan, but I like them I guess, and I don’t really know much about Underoath, ive only heard like 2 songs of theirs and I didn’t really like them, but man…what a dumbass. lol

A7X blows underoath out of the fucking water! UO is just trying to get attention. and syn is without a doubt a better guitarist then this time dipshit. when was the last time you everheard any go “wow, have you heard that tim guy from underoath, his riffs are amazing, and dont forget that blistering solo!” bcuz i never have, and to the person saying they cancle to many shows… its because that singer was having vocal issues, personally i would rather have to vocalist cancle a few shows rather than risk damaging his vocal cords. so overall tim shouldve kept his mouth shut cuz they just lost a ton of respect and fans.

I’ll drink to EVERYTHING Vanessa said.

omg… are all u guys serious… underoath dont know shit.. they cant play shit.. they dont have a guitarist that is said to b the next slash. they dont get asked to play with bands liek Metalica korn and iron maiden.
if u seriously what to put down a band with as much freaking tallent and avenged then yall must be smoking something. avenged is pure tallent. jsut becasue they dont scream like underoath dont mean they are pussys. avenged sevenfold are musical freaking geniouses and if u r laughing at there names.. just think.. you dont laugh at slash.. now do u.. he has a nickname.. but look at him.. everyone knows who he is..

wow. i cant believe that douche tard said all that about a7x. i personally cant stand underoath cause i cant distinguish them from all the other shitty emo bands noawadays. & they’re supposedly christian, well a christian band wouldnt outright bash another band thats NOT christian. its just one giant mess. & i would REEEEALLY love to know why this guy decided to single out a7x when theres plenty of other bands he couldve included or singled out. brian haner jr is an extremely talented musician (as is every other member of the band) i dont see underoath selling out arenas & playing alongside metallica & having slash play onstage with them. btw, a7x puts on hell of a show! & i know this guy is entitled to his own opinion but he was just ASKING for it when he picked on a7x cause us fans didnt waste a second taking up for our boys!!!!! but hey, both of these bands are making $$ playing their music for 2 very different groups of loyal fans so they shouldnt even have a reason to be angry

…So Underoath CHOOSES to be terrible? That’s what I’m equating it to.

I’m just going to the fucking point. A7X is way better than Underoath. A7X is a true rockband who writes their own music and that’s what fans want to hear.Too many bands are just looking to be a quick rockstar and get their 15 mins. of fame and don’t care about the fans,but not A7X. my boys been out there for 10 years and they have work damn HARD to get where they are today. A7X have the most respect for their fans(betA7X have more fans than Underoath). They have played with some of the greatest Rockbands out there and they give A7X their respect and Underoath needs to also! Overall Avenged Sevenfold is not going no where and will be here longer than those bitches Underoath. That’s all for fight now b/c I’m fucking piss!!!!
M.Shadows, Zacky V., Syn G., The Rev,and Johnny C. KEEP ROCKIN!!!!!!!!!!!!
ugh* Underoath more like Underpussies.

Oh, and these guys are real rock? They couldn’t even compare to Avenged Sevenfold. That band doesn’t go around bashing other bands that they don’t like.

There is no way anyone can deny that Avenged can play. I get that they don’t like they’re music, but really? Judging them on wearing makeup and having stage names? That’s just a little immature. Maybe this band doesn’t do that, but it has nothing to do with Avenged Sevenfold’s music…which is amazing and a thousand times better than Underoath’s.

OH HELL NO!!

please, their just jealous cuz A7X is better then them, always have been always WILL be.

NOT METAL! okayyyyy.

& Synyster Gates, Not everyone on a daily basses could come up with that.

gay ass punks.

F**CKERSS!!!!!!
Avenged is WAYYY better than Underoath.
I swear Underoath are prolly one of THE WORST bands I have ever heard. Ahhh this pisses me off!!!

A7X4LIFE!

Alright then Tim, whether you like Avenged Sevenfold or not, you need to face the fact that Synyster Gates definitely has way way wayyyy more skill in guitar than you’ll probably ever have, you’re bands music is shit and you might as well not even be a band anymore cause Underoath is slowly fading out of the music scene, you guys are nothing but a fad, I agree A7X has went a little too mainstream with their newest album, but nonetheless, they’re an all around 10x more talented band than Underoath, and you just can’t stand that so you figured you’d complain to Metal Hammer like a fucking baby.

Just because Underoath is going nowhere doesn’t mean you should get jealous and bash Avenged Sevenfold for no fucking reason.

Avenged Sevenfold are legends. Yeah there not metal, they’re passed there metal days and sure they might becoming a mainstream band, but honestly? Who gives a flying fuck whether there a mainstream or not. Its about the fucking music, and the lads of A7X (Its A7X, Not AX7 or AVX) are highly talented musicians and amazing at what they do, and Vanessa is right, what bands can say they’ve played with Metallica, Slash and soon to be playing with the metal gods themselves Iron Maiden? Fuck all thats who. But Avenged has.
And anyway who he fuck is this Tim McTague cunt anyway? never heard of him in my life, haven’t seen him on any guitar magazines, hell haven’t even seen his faggot arse face on A Metal Hammer Magazine (Which Avenged Sevenfold have appeared on numerous of times). And from what i know Underoath are a 10 year old little emo girls wet dream and they sound like a cat in a blender.
Tim McTague, Go Fuck Yourself Prick.

If I see Tim McTague in the street anywhere, I will kick him in the teethh

Question: How did Underoath lose more than half of their fans?
Answer: They talked shit about Avenged Sevenfold: the greatest band God put on this planet

P.S: Tim McTague, I hope you read this and feel f***ing stupid, you piece of shit.

Does anyone detect a slight hint of jealousy from Tim McTague???

A7X FUKCIN OWN!!!

Some of the comments being spewed here are ridiculous. Yeah random shot from Underoath, but shit who doesn’t do random shit talking like this anymore? People need to get over it…especially all the angsty emo kiddies. Both bands are talented thought I don’t particularly like either anymore. Saying Underoath sound like every other emo breakdown screaming band and that Avenged Sevenfold has their own sound is just plain dumb.

Nah, Underoath are just wank.

I’m not a particular fan of A7X, but they’ve done some cracking tunes.

Can’t exactly say the same for Underoath, who I think are absolutely dire.

I’ve never even heard of Underoath but they sound like arrogant cunts and if what some of you guys are saying on here is true then they’ve no right to be. I’m not a fan of A7X but to say they can’t play is rediculous. They clearly can. The one thing I don’t like about them is the vocals. The singer has one style and one style only and he bores me. Syn Gates is pretty shit hot on the guitar, but he does have a stupid name.

I don’t listen to A7X but I think Tim is being a big asshole right here honestly. It’s people like him that I hate.

I’ve seen Underoath’s DVD where he said he “could eat the guy from Nickelback for Lunch” or something like that. The way he said was so annoying like he’s Mozart or something.

What gives him the right to say that? Yeah bashing bands openly is so cool right?

It’s so metal! Seriously Tim. What the fuck would Jesus do? He wouldn’t bash on others now would he?

Shame on you.

underoath is just having a little pissy fit because a7x sells more records than them. Sevenfold never claimed themselves to be metal.Fuck off underoath,your garbage

of all the bands, why them? i mean what happened between them, cause there are millions of other bands that are tainting the whole genre and should be executed.. a7x are one of those who are keeping the fire burning (though the new album was kinda dissapointing)

what i find even funnier, is that us A7X fans are standing up for our boys cuz we are loyal fans…and underoath only has like 3 fucking people standing up for them…just shows even more how much underoath sucks balls!!!
SYNYSTER GATES IS THE BEST GUITARIST AND HIS NAME IS FREAKIN AWESOME!!!

Haha I think that is hilarious. Have you all not heard that some artists actually progress and change musically. A7X is the most talented bands that I have heard so far in my life besides Rush. They continually get better with every album. Ya’ll need to learn what talent is. Who freakin cares if they have stage names. Its part of what makes A7X who they are. They are in a league of their own and can’t be touched!! You all need to grow up and get over yourselves.

Why does everyone have to bash Avenged? Just because they have talent, they work hard, and they are dedicated to their music and fans they suck? Hmmm..thats weird. If they suck so bad why have they played with Slash, Metallica, Iron Maiden…And every single member of A7X is talented, not just one. I always see people bashing M.Shadows, why? “oh he cant sing” Um really? If you go to one of their concerts or even just listen to a damn song of theirs you can hear that he CAN sing. People need to think before they open their mouth, or just get a life.
If you think A7X are so horrible, go see them in concert and then tell me they suck ,because they are INCREDIBLE in concert. Ive seen them 3 times and they keep getting better and better.

Hahaha really? Underoath has no room to talk what so ever. THEY SUCK JESUS COCK!!!! I’m glad they said this. They have no right to say who is metal and whose not. Whats next Underoath? Are you gonna talk shit about Megadeth or fucking King Diamond? I hope so, then maybe King Diamond can put a royal satanic curse on your ugly asses. Just because you tour with Machine Head and Five Finger Death Punch DOES NOT make you metal..Just like Bullet. Hypocritical assholes. Get a life and stop talking shit about someone who actually has a fan base..

A Gimmick really? All of you look like girls, and your cocks are so small from wearing girl jeans…. Just no.

So Tim!
Gotta question for ya!
So you gunna step up to Cory and say that shit about bands wearin make-up, stage names and shit and changing their style of what “you” call Metal?
What about Manson? What about Alice Cooper, what about Ozzy? I can go on and on!!!
Maybe you need to do a bit of homework you punk!?!
I am not here to slam any band but I will slam YOU, Tim, for commin out and being yourself an IDIOT talkin shit about other bands you appear to know nothing about. Your just trying to ride on their coat tails if you ask me, cause the only reason I can see any band trying to commit career suicide saying the BS you are, is by doing something like this to get your own name out by brining up A7X.
Whats wrong your band can’t get chicks?!?

ok I been trying to put up a post all day!

A7X ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A7X FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FUCK YOU tim mctague and anybody else who talks down about A7X.
I’m still fucking piss!!!
UNDEROATH BITCHES

both bands fucking suck, perticularly Underoath. But hey, A7X are Emo Fucktarts too. Synster Gates couldn’t rip through half the solos Phil Demmel could. Synster is an A Class twat and their a hot topic band, just like Underoath.
And I agree, their bumblefucks

i dont like underoath, but that guy sure knows what he is talking about.

“that guy sure knows what he is talking about.”

i agree.

You know, i love avenged sevenfold and i love underoath… but after a comment like that, that just shows how tastless and jealous tim is, if he feels that way then keep it to yourself but sayingit outloud and have it quoted now for forever shows how UNBELEIVABLY tastless this band is… i don’t want really want to associate myself with underoath anymore, because after doing something like that says we are nothing more than A BUNCH OF FUCKING ASSHOLES!!!!!!!!. anybody who thinks differently can fucking reply.

i do like avenged.. the are making guitar solos cool again

I love Underoath, but I had no idea they hated A7X so much. I mean A7X is my favorite band. I understand why so many people give them all this shit but for Underoath to go and do it? I never saw that coming.

.I thiNK HE Should listen a7x albums, they’re my favorite band , absouly i listened them i like the music .i mean i didnt even see their look and i was loving the music ..but they look great and the best band i’ve ever seen in concert…btw they’re not a circus even if they are ,the make a great show thats .

TO MY VIEW, I DON’T HATE EITHER BAND CUZ I LIKE BOTH OF THEM BUT SERIOUSLY WE KNOW THAT A7X IS BETTER THAN UØ
FUCK THAT, GO WRITE A RECORD LIKE “Act of Depression ” AGAIN
AND THEN U CAN START MAKING FUN OF ANOTHER LAME BANDS

WE LOVE A7X!

what is a chav?

A7X is an amazing band gates is one of the best guitarists of this generation along with alexi laiho

fuck anyone who says they suck

haters might as well stfu and listen to the shitty jonas brothers

Well reading though these comments it seems like Underoath just got fisted, chopped, and screwed.

I personally find this hilarious. I’m more of an A7x fan that an Underoath fan, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to go into a rage and start ranting about how amazing A7x is compared to Underoath. Some of these comments are a bit hypocritical, don’t you think? Trashing some guy because he chose to voice his opinion. Isn’t insisting that Underoath is horrible a debatable opinion? Do you see the members of Avenged Sevenfold saying shit about Underoath? No, you don’t. Most likely because they don’t give two shits about what others are saying about them. It’s great that you want to defend your favorite band, but some fans are being immature about this. If you like Avenged Sevenfold, then you like them. If you agree with Mctague, that’s fucking fine. Just don’t be an annoying little bitch about it.

Ha ha Underoath is retarded. Avenged Sevenfold owns thei music. It’s obvious by how many more A7X fans comment on here than Underoath fans. So yeah, Fuck you Underoath.

Underoath metal? Last time I checked it was Christian Screamo business.

A lot of these comments are along the lines of ‘a7x sells way more records than crappy underoath, so they must be better’
And that is pretty ignorant, everybody knows you dont have to be good to be popular, you just need to appeal to the masses. You guys are too naive when it comes to music.
A lot of what Tim is saying is so true. I think a7x are lame, and while i do enjoy some of their songs, their shitty little outfits and having little names like synyster gates and m.shadows is cringeworthy. Although Tim is being slightly hypocritical, as i’m sure a lot of underoaths fans listen to the other bands he mentioned, and underoath do the whole ’screaming and singing thing’.

But all you little fangirls/boys get over it, and stop being so over dramatic. Why should a7x fans like underoath’s music, its a different type of music, and of course some of you guys probably haven’t heard of them, because you only listen to things that you’re told to listen to out of a magazine.
all you little butthurt fans need to face up to the truth!

more sensless arguments between fanbases. . . .why dont all you just shut up. in a few months no one will even remember this.

youre all judging underoath, but i bet 90% of you fuckers never even listened or read the lyrics to underoath. and A7X are dumb, tryin to be all dark with their gay shit names and themes. “bringing guitar solos back” my ass. all they do is fast double picking and move their fingers up and down the fretboard when they go into a solo. thats not even the right way to solo. and sure, underoath doesnt solo. at least their tryning to be different. and just because one of the vocalists screams doesnt make them an “emo screamo” band. they are a Christian band you ignorant fuckers. go shove your shitty A7X albums up you assholes.

Ok, Im not gonna lie, I like Underoath a lot more then A7X

But really, I can see where Tim gets off saying that A7X is a gimmic…I know they are from SOCAL, but they are acting like a bunch of republican rednecks that think they are from the dirty south. That is the image they are trying to get across in my opinion.

And the names thing…UO isnt the only band that has called A7X out on the bullshit. Need I bring up the memorable beef between Dillinger Escape Plan and A7X? People need to stop acting like the sun shines out of A7X’s asses because hate to break it to you all…the guys in A7X are douche bags. And I know the guys in UO have their moments too but really, getting pissed over someone expressing their opinion about another band is ridiculous.

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What Sam said.

It’s one thing to prefer a band and/or think they’re better, that’s your personal taste, but to say a band is better because they’ve sold more and gotten to tour with other big bands is ridiculous. Look at Converge and Fugazi. Both amazing, influential bands who’ve never really had commercial success. I’m not saying Underoath are as good as those bands but If you genuinely think success = quality and superiority you’re a tool.

Lol @ you all. If all bands were the same and all bands had the same “image” then how boring would the music scene be? Each to their own, like it? have a listen, Don’t then dont listen to it!

X

time to burn my underroath albums…

Jealousy is os ugly

I love Underoath, always have, and they continue to get better with every album. i also like A7X, BUT they are on the brink of becoming a group of goth/emo overpaid sellouts. they have strayed so far from their roots that they are almost unrecognizable as the same band. i still love both bands. but anyone of you so called metal fans who bash someone for voicing an opinion are out of your f***ing corporate mtv brainwashed minds.

Oh wow. I think that UO just started digging their own graves. I mean seriously? COME ON!!! First of all who ever compared UO to A7X??? Last I checked they weren’t even in the same genre. I listened to the podcast, seriously Tim? The first, and might I add last time, I checked you guys out I couldnt tell one crappy emo/screamo song from another. It made me sick. I had to make sure it wasnt on repeat!!
Why would you ever even knock another band for the success that they have had? Avenged Sevenfold has worked their asses off and poured their hearts and souls out on each and every record they’ve done. Regardless of whether or not you like it, you can’t deny that. OR the fact that they have talent. I am a girl. I love metal. Now would you like to tell me how that means they tricked me into liking them? Stage names? Yeah, what about them? If you think A7X is dumb for them then what about Slash? Who BY THE WAY was recently on stage with them in L.A. Now tell me Tim, have you ever played with Slash? Or were you handpicked by Metallica to do a tour with them? No. Didn’t think so. Among all of the b.s. that came out of your mouth I agreed with one thing and one thing only. UO and A7X will NEVER be the same. 1. Because the loyalty between Avenged and thier fans. You will never have that. 2. Avenged knows what the hell the word gimmick means. 3. They have created their own genre. They evolve, they experiment, they do what they want the way they want. You said your band does the exact opposite of what these other screamo bands are doing, How? I can’t tell you apart. 4. Avenged Sevenfold is an amazing band. They saved my life in so many ways. Stage names and make-up had absolutely nothing to do with it. Although each member of A7X has better looks that you ever will. and finally 5. A7X does not need to bag on other bands to get attention. They work hard and do only what they believe in to get the attention they deserve.
SO when Karma comes back to bite you in the ass in your record sales, I think maybe you should take another look at how you want to publicize your band. And maybe make some better choices with what you say next time.

everyone has an opinion you bitches its not right to talk shit on someone for having one. . . .like other bands have never said anything about other bands before. get over it

and to shedvl-

Dude, shut up.
I’ll admit I don’t like avenge sevenfold either, but ranting off about how much you hate them publically is what a bratty child would do.

If you can’t stand a band, just ignore them…

I completely agree with you Shaun C. There’s nothing to gain from publically attacking another band. To be honest, I’m not the biggest fan of A7X, but Tim’s comments are rather pathetic.

Has anyone missed the part where both of these bands are terrible?

jajaj loser accept that Synyster Gates is better

hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaa
isnt it hilarious that the guitarist from possibly the worst band EVER formed is bagging out a half decent band.
i find it funny.
specially since neither of them are that good.
actually, thats an understatment.

UNDEROATH FUCKING SUCK.
anyone who classifies underoath as metal can go fuck themselves and should go listen to some real metal.

SLIPKNOT, DEVILDRIVER, LAMB OF GOD, IN FLAMES – FOR THE WINZ.

@ Chico

“Underoath are a bunch of emo pansies. They look like the same kids I used to beat the crap out of in high school.”

Wow, you must be proud of yourself for beating up inocent children. It goes to show how much of a man you are, because nothing is cooler than a loser who probably is “emo” himself, that beats up other emo kids.

Isn’t it just like the religious fucks to be putting others down….

Oh and this made me laugh really hard because essentially you just told every one that you don’t play music that you feel, you play music that will sell because it’s “different”.

P.S. You guys are like scene kids…you think your so goddamn original, but i can honestly tell you your just like every other mother fucker out there.

to kody- youre totaly right

this guy is just jealous because syn is way better looking, has a fucking awesome stage name, and can actually get a girl. underoath makes my ears bleed, thats how bad they are. i wouldn’t even think of putting them in the same category as a7x because unlike underoath, a7x can actually play goo rock ‘n roll music.

Okay, first off, Tessa, I fucking love you, that was great. Honestly, you just summed up everything that I was gonna use against UO as a rebuttal to their groundless criticism.
Alrighty then, time to contribute. Everyone sayin’ shit about A7X, what the hell is up with the fact that my shoe size is larger than most of your IQs? Honestly, looking through your comments, all you can say about A7X is that they’re mainstream, they wear makeup, they have stupid stage names, and….well, that’s it. And the realization of this made me laugh, because if the only thing you can think of to put down the band is bring up such trivial notes, then that’s a pretty good sign that the band is doin’ pretty fuckin’ well. The thing is, I wouldn’t still be a fan if A7X got to the mainstream by SOUNDING mainstream. No, they got where they are now, retaining the epic solos, complex drum beats, and uniquity that they started off with, and that’s a feat to be admired. And I’m not sure if you guys know, but nearly EVERY band wears make-up during concerts. I mean, it’s not like A7X is overkill, it’s not like they go around wearing makeup around the studio. It’s just for pics and concerts. And the OPINION that their stage names are stupid isn’t objective. It’s not what makes them sell, but in my opinion, they’re pretty badass, but I could go without calling them by their stage names. Matt Sanders, Brian Haner, Zacky Baker, Jimmy Sullivan, & Johnny Seward. It’s not that fans think that it’s blasphemous for them to have actual names.

You little fuckers! Avenged Sevenfold is so much better than you think. They’re not posers! Are you fucking kidding me? Just because they changed the genre of some of their CDs doesn’t mean they suck! I think that’s awesome that they did that.

And what the hell? People only but records because of their stage names? Ha! They only got stage names because they thought it would piss people off and they sure did succeed. Haha, I love A7X and Underoath can suck a dick for all I care.

They do not only care about their looks and girls. They have a girlfriend or a wife so shut up. I’d love to kick every person who agrees with Underoath on this because they’re just assholes who are jealous of Avenged Sevenfold and that they are more popular/famous than them.

SO FUCK OFF UNDEROATH!
Avenged Sevenfold owns your life, bitch!

I totally agree. Avenged Sevenfold suck ass. ALL of there songs sound the same. Everything about being fake rock stars – totally true.

WHAT THE FUCK DUDE?!?!?!?!?! ‘They can play [corrected] but they can’t write songs. What’s worse is the way they look. If you need to have make-up and crappy names like Synyster Gates to sell records, then you shouldn’t be here. That’s not rock’n’roll to me.’ SO WHAT KISS ISNT A REAL ROCK’NROLL BAND?! ALL THEY DID WAS WEAR MAKE UP N HAVE CRAPPY STAGE NAMES. IF IT WASENT FOR ‘GIMMICKS’ LIKE KISS AND THERE MAKE UP U WOULDENT HAVE A FUCKING JOB RIGHT NOW U DICK. AND THEY CANT WRITE SONGS? THEN EXPLANE TO ME WHY ALL THERE SONGS HAVE MORE MEANING AND A DEEPER MESSAGE THEN ANY OF YOUR BANDS SONGS. IF THEY CANT WRITE SONGS HOW COME THEY HAD TO HAVE A B-SIDES TRACK COME OUT LIKE 8 MONTHS AFTER THERE SELF TITLED ALBUM? IF THEY CANT FUCKING WRITE SONGS Y HAVE THEY BEEN AS BIG AS THEY HAVE BEEN FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS?!?! CAN U TELL ME THAT?
TIM YOUR JUST JELOUSE THAT THEY HAVE MORE SKILL, TALLENT, FANS, SUCSESS, AND MANY MORE THINGS THEN YOUR FAGGOT ASS BAND DOES. SO SHUT THE HELL UP AND GO WORK ON YOUR SKILL AND EVERY THING SO THAT YOU MIGHT BE AS GOOD AS THE AMAZINGLY TALENTED A7X BOYS!

AVENGED SEVENFOLD FUCKING RULES!!!

They are just jealous mother fuckers.
If A7X doesnt make good music then why are they selling so many records and selling out shows.
How pathetic are you dissing on a band. Your image and names dont sell records the music does.

hey tessa
stfu bitch
just because you arent religious doesnt mean you have to put religious folks down
fuck you

I used to like Avenged Sevenfold…their first two albums…then they released City of Evil…i mean the change their sound went through from one album to the next was too much of a popularity attempt, and unfortunately they succeeded. I’m a fan of Underoath as well, but i do think that it was a douchey thing to do, so not much bias here. Although, with A7X’s self-titled i lost the tiny respect that i had left for them. They should go back to doing albums like Waking the Fallen and Sounding the Seventh Trumpet, those were some sick albums and i still listen to them once in a while. And no, the so called “progression” that they went through with their sound wasn’t a progression, it was a complete change, they might as well have changed their name cuz theres nothing of their old sound left in them, and thats why they’re sell-outs. Not because they got popular all of a sudden, i agree with the point that popularity doesn’t necessarily make you a sell-out…but A7X definitely are.

omg!!!!!!!!! wow underoath.. you clearly don’t know good music.. that’s why your songs sound like totall shit.. i think you’re just jealous! cuz dude if they “suck”then why the fuck are they selling so many albums and selling out at they;re shows… yeahh exctly so you know What?? fxck off underoath.. learn how to play good fxckning music like a7x!

wow, this guy is a whiny christian metal fag, all the guys, himself included, look like every single emo/screamo band out there. there are so many of those bands out there they all sound the same. all the songs start the same and its screaming the whole time and it sounds like shit. I know there are people out there who don’t like them, that’s fine by me, personally i love avenged sevenfold, im an aspiring musician and they are one of my main influences. and for this no name guy to being saying shit like that, who is his band, just another scene thing out there. that’s a fuckin gimmick. kids go to fuckin hot topic and buy underoath shirts (an A7X shirt too) they have long hair wear tight pants and try to act like they are the shit. going to the 7 dollar shows with screamo bands at the local VFW. Those are just little pussy emo kids. this guy just wishes that he could have an impact on the world like a7x has. A7X has sold a shitload more records, played in bigger arenas, won awards, and you know what they started out playing at little clubs and going on the road in a white van, just like every single band that has made it has done it.

Listen to the whole damn interview before you start running your ignorant mouths. He’s not saying stuff just about Avenged Sevenfold!!!!! They are both great bands. Avenged has gained their success in a different way than Underoath. I love both bands. Tim is entitled to an opinion just they way all the kids here saying “fuck you Underoath” or “oh yea A7X sucks ass!” are. Do I agree 100% with Tim NO!! but thats his opinion! I don’t think A7X sell-outs because they changed their sound. If anything they have more respect with me because they made that change. Most bands would never think of doing something like that becasue it’s not “rock!”

wow. its funny how A7X look goth/emo, and underoath dont even remotley look like that.

A7X look like every other goth band, which are shit.

underoath look more metal than A7X, and they are.

I feel a little hypocritical doing this, since I am responding to his rant with one of my own, but this dude really pissed me off.

What does he mean ‘I’m not saying that’s what Avenged sevenfold do’? He specifically mentioned them and one of their band members.

And showing kids what real metal is like? Uhm, excuse me, but if you go waaaay back, oh about 20-30, maybe even 40 years, there were these bands, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Judas Priest, Twisted Ssister, and Iron Maiden to name a few. And you know what? They sound nothing like Under Oath. But who cares if they started and popularized the genre? They wear make up! Some of them have stage names! They CAN’T be real metal bands!

Also, is he calling women dumb? Because it seems we’re smarter than this dude, who apparently doesn’t know anything about 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s metal and lacks the ability to remember things he said about five seconds ago. I don’t listen to bands because ‘oh they’re soooo cool and sooo hot!’ If I did, I probably wouldn’t listen to half the bands I do. Sorry, but I’m not into men that are about five times my age…. Or dead.

Sorry if I pissed anyone off, but I felt what that dude said was pretty out of line. Underoath isn’t the first badn to ever play metal, and they definately can’t define the genre, there’s a lot of different types of metal genres. And just because some bands don’t fall into the same genre as them doesn’t make them any better or worse. Now, I’m not gunna say UO sucks or this guy sucks, because I don’t even listen to UO and I’ve never met the dude! But I’m just gunna say that was uncalled for. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but some things you just keep to yourself, because otherwise you might come across as childish or rude.

wow. this Tim McTongue character is an idiot. Avenged Sevenfold is amazing. They didn’t “sell out” and shadows didnt stop sceaming just because of his throat surgery. He said suring the making of their 1st album sounding the seventh trumpet that they wanted to make an album with half screaming (waking the fallen) and then an album with no screaming (city of evil). This guy is a complete fag. why he hell do you criticize someone more talented and more popular than you? that would be like me saying “oh yeah if you have to think of stupid names like SLASH to sell records then you shouldn’t be here…you should just give up.” FFFFAAAAAGGGGGGG

I hate stupid people. And I love the line: I’m not saying that’s what Avenged Sevenfold do, but they do a lot of crap that makes me think, ‘that’s why you and us will never be the same’. At the same time, we don’t write a really heavy record ‘just to show all those Avenged Sevenfold fans what real metal is like’

First: you are saying thats what Avenged Sevenfold does (not do you uneducated pile of shit.)

Second: your right!!! you and avenged sevenfold will NEVER be the same. you will always suck and A7X will always rock and play with bands like METALLICA.

Third: “just to show all those Avenged Sevenfold fans what real metal is like” ugh. avenged sevenfold has NEVER EVER EVER claimed being a metal band. They started out that way but progressed and transformed through the years. in interviews and stuff A7X said that when people hear them they want to be known as AVENGED SEVENFOLD. not metal or metalcore or hardcore or screamo or even rock. they are original and have more talent in one finger than you have in your whole body you useless idit.

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Tim said that a lot of this was taken out of context, but I don’t know. I don’t really like Avenged Sevenfold, but I’m a HUGE fan of Underoath…and honestly, Tim has always been screwing the band over. He’s always putting his opinion in on every subject and his opinion is basically formed into the entire band’s opinion and not just his. If Tim really said these things, then I hate that it’s going to be bad for the band.

i love underoath, very great band, i also like A7x, altho not as much as underoath..you all should read the Update Tim Mctague of Underoath sent out today, he said that this interview never even happened- check it out
I’m writing this in response to my Metal Hammer paraphrasing in a recent online article. There’s obviously a fine line between being honest and careful when it comes to interviews. This is often a very severe impasse for me based on the fact that at times I find myself holding back, rather than just being able to have an open discussion of ideas. If I were to read just what has been posted, not knowing the context of the conversation, I would think the person who said that was one of the most-rude people to ever speak publicly. What was in fact a very well rounded music conversation, turned into a very public bash. Most people who know me know that although I am very opinionated about certain issues, especially regarding music, I have never intentionally or publicly ridiculed any band. What was posted was a collection of just 10 sentences from an entire 30-minute interview in which I stated my personal opinions about certain ideals pertaining to our scene/genre. I’d also like to clarify that some things I am quoted saying were in fact never even said. All things that were indeed stated were said by me alone. The interview was prefaced with the idea that this story was to be about music and only music. Leave your faith and everything else at the door, let’s just talk music. Music is the most powerful, influential force in potentially all of creation. I have seen it change lives before my eyes. Throughout the course of our career we have been confronted with many different issues. Bands go through image changes, ideal changes, and musical changes. This is a natural, and needed progression in order for music and musicians to progress. Whether you are pushing for reformation of anything from gay rights, religious beliefs, straight-edge, animal rights, etc., as an influential community we must take our responsibility for activism and progress as a charge.

I have no ill-will with Avenged Sevenfold, Escape the Fate or Metallica. Underoath just wrapped a tour with E.T.F. and we’ve all grown to like those dudes as a lot. I don’t know anyone from Avenged or Metallica, but I have no doubt they’re all good people.

Regardless of what it was made to look like, I wasn’t intending to start any issues between bands or arbitrarily bash any artists. Many people don’t like my band. To me, this scene is about positivity and making a difference in the world. I want my kids listening to Thursday talk about equality, or P.O.S. talk about injustice, or Thrice talk about getting involved in your local charity.

Tim posted a bulletin on myspace talking about how the interviewer took EVERY sentence he said out of context. They took ten half sentences out of a thirty minute conversation. Tim went in with the impression that they were talking about Underoath’s success and music in general and became very upset when he read this. Please read all sides of the story before you decide Tim messed up. Go read his bulletin.

Has anyone actually listened to the whole interview? Don’t attack UnderOath before you even know the context of what he said.

Sorry to say but bands that have a bunch of groupies running around using shorthand names like “a7x” come off more than a little gay. So metallica who fell off the map and lost everyones respect ten years ago invited them on a tour? Congratulations avenged fans, the godfathers of mall rock passed the torch to your shitty band. “Oh they played with korn!” really?!! Korn?! The same korn whose records you can play back to back and not notice when the song changes because they all sound exactly the fucking same? Underoath isn’t a metal band and I don’t think they claim to be. I guess to you people hardcore and metal are just the same right? And for all you idiots who think underoath sound exactly like “those cookie cutter emo bands” get real. They set the trend in this scene and laid it down for anyone who wanted to give post hardcore a shot. Oh yeah underoath is pretty unknown too… to people who listen to their local “new rock” radio station where its an endless repeat of raspy vocals and edgy ripped off guitar riffs. Underoath is a band on an indie label who have gold and platinum records under their belt. Have fun staying in your dream world with your make up wearing mall rocking trend following douchebags.

A7X? WTF? If that dont show you how much of a loser f*cking band they are i dont know what does. Tim McTague would run over Zacky and Syn swinging the ax, i dont care what any of you Beast and the harlot listenin b*tches say. Avenged Sevenfold blo’s. They belong on TRL.

lot of people here haven’t even attempted at listening to Underoath’s last two albums because they know it’s not going to be the same song with the same time signatures, dueling guitars, solos, and vocals with just a different tempo. Now, Avenged Sevenfold puts on this attitude that’s like “Yea listen to us because we’re rebels, badasses and drink all the time” When they make ballads? C’mon. In every one of their songs they have this annoying high pitched, cheesy sounding “happy” part! I know that everyone judges Underoath by “They’re Only Chasing Safety” which I do admit fits into the “emo” Genre, but with their recent releases, especially “Define the Great Line” They switch up time signatures, strive to be creative with effects (tape recorders, singing through a hallway instead of using reverb, and reinventing the use of feedback). Don’t get me wrong, I have all of Avenged Sevenfold’s albums, and I like them to a point but after a while I get sick of the dueling guitars and the M. Shadows voice that makes the same “eeeeyeaaaa” sound in every song. I suggest that you watch some of Underoath’s DVDs and recognize that they aren’t trying to fit any sort of Emo-screamo scene. Finally, I do have to say that giving yourself a nickname is selling out. I mean seriously, Giving yourself a nickname?

wow… im pretty sure almost every one of you that posted before missed what tim was saying IN CONTEXT all together. Tim is obviously refering to the difference in vision that UO and A7x have as a band. a7x is a pop band… they play music the the average rock radio listener will like… and buy. There’s nothing wrong with that if that’s the band they want to be. If their motivs for being in a band and playing music is to make money and be rockstars so be it. It might be really shallow and uncreative but its a good career choice i guess. UO writes music that wouldnt make it on every radio station. Thats called musical progression. The obviously dont suck… have you listened to their last 3 albums? Tim may have made a mistake in publicly talking about a pop metal band like that, but the bottom line is, rock music will never go to the next step without bands(like UO) that go against the pop grain to take it there. I wish more bands as talented and legit as UO would worry more about the creative integrity of their music than making sure their songs and preformance get them a peice of ass after the show…. A big thank you to Aaron tim spee james chris and grant for what you bring into the world. keep up the good work boys

Sounds like someone’s jealous, hahaha. His immaturity makes me laugh. What I wanna know is, who placed them in the same catogorey as a7x? Who ever did needs to get punched upside there head, and how is underoath rock’n'roll? There scene generic hard-core. they sound like any other hard-core band out there. Seriously..grow up.

underoath is the shit!!! effing love those guys

props to avenged also.

you girls need to chill. its just this guys opinion. i’m pretty sure we are allowed to have em

Amen to gabe!
You metal head freakss
are more emo than the tight jean
wearing emos.
Get a life and stop
depending it on music fagggs

direct quote from Tim McTague in response to this article:
“I’m writing this in response to my Metal Hammer paraphrasing in a recent online article. There’s obviously a fine line between being honest and careful when it comes to interviews. This is often a very severe impasse for me based on the fact that at times I find myself holding back, rather than just being able to have an open discussion of ideas. If I were to read just what has been posted, not knowing the context of the conversation, I would think the person who said that was one of the most-rude people to ever speak publicly. What was in fact a very well rounded music conversation, turned into a very public bash. Most people who know me know that although I am very opinionated about certain issues, especially regarding music, I have never intentionally or publicly ridiculed any band. What was posted was a collection of just 10 sentences from an entire 30-minute interview in which I stated my personal opinions about certain ideals pertaining to our scene/genre. I’d also like to clarify that some things I am quoted saying were in fact never even said. All things that were indeed stated were said by me alone. The interview was prefaced with the idea that this story was to be about music and only music. Leave your faith and everything else at the door, let’s just talk music. Music is the most powerful, influential force in potentially all of creation. I have seen it change lives before my eyes. Throughout the course of our career we have been confronted with many different issues. Bands go through image changes, ideal changes, and musical changes. This is a natural, and needed progression in order for music and musicians to progress. Whether you are pushing for reformation of anything from gay rights, religious beliefs, straight-edge, animal rights, etc., as an influential community we must take our responsibility for activism and progress as a charge.

I have no ill-will with Avenged Sevenfold, Escape the Fate or Metallica. Underoath just wrapped a tour with E.T.F. and we’ve all grown to like those dudes as a lot. I don’t know anyone from Avenged or Metallica, but I have no doubt they’re all good people.

Regardless of what it was made to look like, I wasn’t intending to start any issues between bands or arbitrarily bash any artists. Many people don’t like my band. To me, this scene is about positivity and making a difference in the world. I want my kids listening to Thursday talk about equality, or P.O.S. talk about injustice, or Thrice talk about getting involved in your local charity.

Tim”

It’s really sad that this was posted and Tim didn’t even say all of this… It’s bullshit that words were put into his mouth and he’s paying for it.

..and WOW people are really into arguing over who is a better band and who is a gimmick or not.. everyone has different taste and there isn’t really a better band.. it’s all opinions.. so it’s a waste of time just arguing over it.

read this and find out what Tim really has to say..
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=1943559&blogId=495556575

iron maiden possibly the greatest metal and rock band ever were a gimmick? they had a mascot who they displayed on every album? they wore plenty of studded clothing to go with the metal image. Judas preist? Rob halford coming on stage with a motorbike dressed in leather covered in studs and spikes. If a7x are a gimmick so are two of metals greats. Avenegd sevenfold may not be as great as those ebands but they sure as hell are better than fucking underoath!!!

And who the fuck is Tim from Underoath to say something ?

this guy is just a jealous dbag. A7X is way better than underoath. So what is Avenged sevenfold the album wasn’t as “metal” as previous ones. it just shows that shadows has a range of talents with his voice and full on scream isn’t all he can do that’s what makes a true artist. and saying they “need” fake names umm one word Slash so shove it. and they only wore make back during the earlier works and guess what it wasn’t all the time and they grew out of it. and u know what else they changed there sound and still sold an ass load of albums and even with the change there is already hype for an album that isn’t even set to start recording in 2010 so they must be doing something right.

Here’s a thought- why doesn’t anyone know who you are, Underoath? Oh, because you haven’t put out a good record in ages. I bought your latest in the 4 dollar CD rack and it sucked. Wish I’d have saved the money. Wake up and learn how to play real music like A7X. At least they are doing what they want; sure it’s not “metal” anymore but it’s what they are into.

go fuck yourself underoath!!! we all love A7X! i have bought your new album.. and it sucked! glory glory synyster gates! and you guys know what! he has much more plenty of fans than a band called, underoath